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This list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) is under construction.

Send submissions to Scott Hollenbeck, SAH.XSIS-East@Xerox.com.

 

Topics:

428 Identification

Classic Mustang Invoices

Classic Mustang Parts Sources

Mustang Club of America Bulletin Board

Mustang Publication E-Mail Addresses

VIN Decoding

Drum to Disk Brake Conversion

C4 to AOD Transmission Swap

Steering Box Ratios

Upper Control Arm Relocation

351 Windsor and Cleveland Identification

 

428 Identification (from Walt Boeninger, walt@chekov.mayfield.hp.com)

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352-390-410-427-428  all have a "352" cast into the drivers side front

of the cylinder block.

 

427's are easy to ID by the cross-bolted mains, and if there is a oil gallery

rib just above the oil pan (forget which side) it's a side-oiler.

 

If the date code of the block is 1965 or earlier than it can't be a 428, it's

a 390 or 352.

 

428's are externally balanced so the flywheel will have a balance

counterweight on it.  390 and 352 are internally balanced, so you have

to pull the pan to take a look at the crank, and while you're there you

can measure the bore.

 

That ought to be enough to tell whether you're looking at a 428 or not

If it's a 410-390-352, they're probably all the same value (410 may be more).

 

Classic Mustang Invoices (from Tim Carlson, timc@mustang.fc.hp.com)

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Send a request to Lois Eminger:

 

Lois Eminger

P.O. Box 220

Dearborn, MI  48121-020

 

Lois has the original invoice copies available for the following:

 

        1969 Mustangs and Cougars - Dearborn (F) only

        1970 - 1973 Mustangs and Cougars - Dearborn

        1970 Mustangs only from Metuchen (T)

        1970 - 1971 Torino and Montego - Lorain (H)

        1969 - 1973 Lincolns and Marks

        1962 - 1963 T-Bird Roadsters/Convertibles only

        1964 - 1966 and 1969 T-Birds - all models

        NO SHELBYS

 

A rubbing of your data plate which clearly shows the serial number or a copy

of your registration as proof of ownership is required.

 

(Editorial note: I believe the cost for an invoice is now $35.00)

 

Classic Mustang Parts Sources (from ??)

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(Editorial note: this is not an all inclusive list...)

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Automotive Specialties      | Hours Unknown         | Steering wheels refinished

11240 East Sligh Ave.       |                       | like new.  Mustang 65-73.

Seffner, 33584              |                       | Woodgrain and rimblows a

800 676-1928                |                       | specialty.

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California Mustang          | M-F 8-5, S 9-3        | High quality, moderate

18435 Valley Blvd.          | Visa, MC, COD         | prices, good selection

La Puente, CA  91744        | Free ship >$250       |

800 854-1737                |                       |

FAX 818 964-1642            |                       |

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Classic Mustang, Inc.       | M-F 9-6, S 9-3        |

24-A Robert Porter Rd.      | Visa, MC, DSC, AMEX   |

Southington, CT  06489      |                       |

800 243-2742 Orders only    |                       |

203 276-9704                |                       |

FAX 203 276-9986            |                       |

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Dallas Mustang Parts        | M-F 8-5               | Low prices, mostly good

10720 Sandhill Rd.          | Visa, MC, COD         | quality, superior service

Dallas, TX  75238           | Free ship >$175       |

800 527-1223                |                       |

In TX 800 442-1047          |                       |

214 349 0991                |                       |

FAX 214 553-8538            |                       |

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The Edgewood Company        | M-F 8A-9P, S 9-3      | NOT MUSTANG PARTS

580 Lancaster Ave.          | Visa, MC, COD         | Lots of tools & supplies

Box 296                     |                       | great fun little catalog

Malvern, PA  19355          |                       |

800 345-1178                |                       |

215 640-1450                |                       |

FAX 215 644-0560            |                       |

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Lois Eminger                | Hours and terms are   | Sells copies of factory

P.O. Box 220                | unknown to me.  Price | invoices for 1969-1973

Dearborn, MI  48121-0220    | runs $20-$25 per      | Mustangs & Cougars, plus

                            | copy.                 | 62-73 T-Birds/Marks/etc.

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Ford Motorsport             | 24 hrs 7 days         | High prices, good quality,

P.O. Box 360840             | Visa, MC, DSC         | fair service

Brimingham, AL  35236-0840  |                       |

800 444-4503                |                       |

FAX 205 288-0324            |                       |

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Larry's Mustang & T-Bird Pts| M-F 8:30-5, S 9-1     | High prices, good

511 South Raymond Ave.      | Visa, MC              | selection

Fullerton, CA  92631        |                       |

800 854-0393                |                       |

CA 800 858-6125             |                       |

714 871-6432                |                       |

FAX 714 871-1883            |                       |

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Melvin's Classic Ford Parts | Hours & terms ???     | Catalogs: 64 1/2-73 Stangs

2526 Panola Rd.             |                       | 60-70 1/2 Falcon

Lithonia, Ga 30058          |                       | 62-71 Fairlane

(404)-981-2357              |                       | 63-64 Galaxie

Fax (404)-981-6207          |                       | 48-72 Pickup

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Mustang of Chicago          |                       | Some obscure parts

1321 Irving Park Rd.        | Visa, MC, COD         | NOS, SVO, MotorSport

Bensenville, IL             |                       |

708 860-7077                |                       | Restorations available

FAX 708 860-7120            |                       |

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Mustang Ken's Automobilia   | Evenings & weekends   |"We have access to nearly

PO Box 90536                | Check, MO, COD        |everything for your Mustang

Rochester, NY  14609        | A subscriber to the   |needs."  New/used/repro;

716-342-2926                | Classic Mustangs      |classic/latemodel; apparel;

                            | Mailing List.         |videos; collectables; model

                            |                       |parts locator service; the

                            |                       |famous "blueprint" shirts.

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Mustang Parts of Oklahoma   | M-F 9-7, S 9-3        | BIG, BIG Catalog

6505 S. Shields             | Visa, MC, AMEX        | Moderate-High prices

Oklahoma City, OK  73149    |                       |

405 631-1400                |                       |

FAX 405 631-1401            |                       |

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Mustangs Plus               | M-F 8-5, S 8-12       | Small catalog

2353 N. Wilson Way          | Visa, MC, COD         |

Stockton, CA  95205         |                       |

800 999-4289                |                       |

209 944-9977                |                       |

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National Parts Depot        | M-F 8-7 Sa 9-5 Su 11-5| 3 locations

1376 Walter St. #1          | Visa, MC, COD         |

Ventura CA  93003           |                       |

800 235-3445                |                       |

CA 800 342-3614             |                       |

805 654-0468                |                       |

FAX 805 654-0826            |                       |

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National Parts Depot        | M-F 8-7 Sa 9-5 Su 11-5| 3 locations

3101 S.W. 4-th Blvd.        | Visa, MC, COD         |

Gainesville, FL  32608      |                       |

800 874-7595                |                       |

904 378-2473                |                       |

FAX 904 378-3718            |                       |

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National Parts Depot        | M-F 8-7 Sa 9-5 Su 11-5| 3 locations

12788 Currie Court          | Visa, MC, COD         |

Livonia, MI 48150           |                       |

800 521-6104                |                       |

313 591-1956                |                       |

FAX 313 591-7271            |                       |

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Old Dominion Mustang        | M-F 10-5 Sa 10-3      |

509 S. Washington Hwy.      | Visa, MC, COD         |

(Route 1)                   |                       |

Ashland, VA 23005           |                       |

(804) 798-3348              |                       |

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The Paddock                 | M-F 8-5, S 9-3        | See also: The Paddock West

221 W. Main St.             | Visa, MC, DSC, AMEX   | Also catalogs for many

P.O. Box 30                 |                       | more classic muscle cars.

Knightstown, IN 46148       |                       |

800 428-4319                |                       |

317 345-2131                |                       |

FAX 317 345-2264            |                       |

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The Paddock West            | M-F 8-5, S 9-3        | See also: The Paddock

1663 Plum Lane              | Visa, MC, DSC, AMEX   | Also catalogs for many

Box 8547                    |                       | more classic muscle cars.

Redlands, CA  92375         |                       |

800 854-8532                |                       |

714 335-3137                |                       |

FAX 714 798-1482            |                       |

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Performance Suspension Tech | M-F 8:30-5            | Suspension parts, for all

P.O. Box 396                | Visa, MC, COD         | kinds of cars

Montville, NJ 07045         |                       | 10-yr warranty

800 247-2288                |                       |

201 299-8019                |                       |

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Texas Mustang Parts         | M-F 8-5:30, S 8-12    | Nice catalog, moderate

Rt. 6, Box 996A             | Visa, MC, COD         | prices

Waco, TX  76706             | Free ship >$175       |

800 527-1588 Orders Only    |                       |

817 662-2893                |                       |

FAX 817 662-0455            |                       |

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Virginia Mustang Supply     | M-F 9-6, S 9-1        | Good prices, good quality,

P.O. Box 487, Rt. 259W      | Visa, MC, COD         | nice catalog, very good

Broadway, VA 22815          | $20 minimum order     | service

703 896-2695                |                       |

FAX 703 896-9310            |                       |

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Mustang Club of America Bulletin Board (from Jeff Speegle, j.speegle@genie.geis)

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1-404-472-0575. The only charge is the phone call.

 

Mustang Publication E-Mail Addresses (multiple sources)

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FordTrader@aol.com (Ford Trader magazine)

 

Upper Control Arm Relocation (from Rick Larson, rick@adc.com)

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(Editorial note: the template Rick mentions can be retrieved from the

classic-mustangs archive.  The file you want is named "lower.ps".

This is a PostScript document, which will of course require a PostScript

printer should you wish to actually print the template.)

 

Parts and Tools Required

1. Template

2. Jack, jackstands, lug wrench

3. 1/2" socket for shock absorbers

4. Spring compressor

5. 3/4" wrench for control-arm mounting nuts

6. 1/2" drill with a 17/32" bit plus smaller bits for starting holes

7. center punch

 

Instructions

1.  Jack car, remove front wheels and front shock absorbers.

2.  Compress spring and remove.

3.  Support lower control arm and brake assembly on a jackstand.

4.  Unbolt control arm bolts from the inside of the engine compartment.

    For '64 - 66 years, save aligment shims and remember their original

    location.

5.  Move the upper control arm, rotor, ans spindle to one side.  Support

    brake lines.

6.  Bolt the template to the existing holes.

7.  Mark new holes with a center punch.

8.  Drill new holes.  Start with a small bit, 1/4", and work up to

    17/32".

9.  Install upper control arms in new holes.  For 1964-66, use the

    alignment shims in the same original positions.  Remove an even

    thickness, about 1/8" to 1/4", of shims for each position to compensate

    for the increased positive camber.

10. Reassemble suspension.

11. Align front suspension to the following specifications:

 

        Caster    2 degrees positive

        Camber    0 to 1/2 degree negative

        Toe-in    1/8"

 

Template courtsey of the Shelby American Automobil Club and

Mustang Performance and Handling Guide, 1964-85, by Peter C.

Sessler.

 

VIN Decoding (from Scott Hollenbeck, SAH.XSIS-East@Xerox.com)

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Classic Mustang Vehicle Identification Numbers (VINs) contain 11 characters.

I'll use my Mach 1 VIN as an example to explain the different fields.

 

The VIN in question is "0F05M176979", which breaks down as follows

by character position:

 

1:      Last digit of model year ("0").  1970

2:      Assembly plant ("F").  Dearborn

3,4:    Body serial code ("05").  2 door fastback Mach 1

5:      Engine code ("M").  351C-4V

6-11:   Consecutive unit number ("176979").  The 76,979th vehicle built

        at Dearborn.  Numbers start from 100,000.

 

Of course, this translation will be unique for your car's VIN.

 

There are several sources of information to decode your VIN and your

car's door data plate.  California Mustang publishes a pocket-sized

book called the "Mustang Data Plate Decoder", which costs around $5.

There are also computer programs available to decode your VIN; here

are some that I've found and stored in the classic-mustangs archive:

 

decvin.c

Written by Scott Hollenbeck (SAH.XSIS-East@Xerox.com).  This is a C

language program with a TTY user interface.  Requires compilation

to be of any use to an individual.  No bells or whistles, but it's

pretty accurate.

 

Drum to Disk Brake Conversion

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See the file drum-to-disk.info".

 

C4 to AOD Transmission Swap

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See the file "c4-to-aod.info".

 

Steering Box Ratios

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See the file "steering-ratios.info".

 

Upper Control Arm Relocation

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See the file "upper-arm.info".

 

351 Windsor and Cleveland Identification (from John Dettori. jdettori@bear.com)

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Now a 351 Windsor is really a slightly enlarged 289/302, as it's name implies

it comes from Fords "Windsor" engine family (a.k.a. the 90-degree V engine

family).  The thin-wall cast SMALL BLOCK accepts regular sized spark plugs,

uses a timing chain in the block, routes water through the intake manifold,

features thin main-bearing caps, a very good oiling system, and uses the same

heads for 2V & 4V versions.  The heads are are small, utilizing in-line valves

with relatively small ports.  The valves are 1.78" intake and 1.54" exhaust,

i.e. the same size as a 289/302.  The valve covers are straight (front to

rear), attached by 5 bolts, and when removed you can see 351 cast in the

lifter valley.  The small side-by side (in-line) valves are the dead give-away.

 

The 351 Cleveland, on the other hand, belongs to Ford's 335 engine family.

This thin-wall cast BIG SMALL BLOCK uses the smaller 14mm spark plugs, has

a separate front cover (bolted to the block) housing the timing chain and

routing water - so that water does not go through the intake manifold, features

beefy main caps (wide enough to drill for 4-bolt mains), a poor oiling system,

and uses different heads for 2V & 4V versions.  The heads make all the differ-

ence and these fire breathing babies make this motor the legend it is.  On the

4V, the valves are HUGE, measuring 2.19" intake and 1.7n" exhaust (don't re-

member exactly).  Valves this large are only possible via a canted valve arrang-

ment, forming what Ford refers to as a "poly-angle" combustion chamber.  The

valve covers are not straight - the front is flat and parallel to the ground,

but a curve twists the rear parallel to the head.  They are attached by 8-bolts

and when removed, there is a 4 cast into the corner of the 4V and a 2 cast into

the corner of the 2V (at least in 1970).  The canted valves are the dead give-

away.

 

Summary of Quick ID:

 

351 Windsor                             351 Cleveland

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5-bolt straight valve covers            8 bolt 2-plane valve covers

radiator hose to the intake manifold    radiator hose does not connect to intake

regular 5/8" spark plugs                small 14mm spark plugs


 

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